"Cherry_man1" (Cherry_man1)
02/27/2014 at 20:07 • Filed to: NPCP Porsche 911
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"Cherry_man1" (Cherry_man1)
02/27/2014 at 20:07 • Filed to: NPCP Porsche 911 | 0
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!!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!!
62k miles
looks to be 6 speed
ok GO
Brian Silvestro
> Cherry_man1
02/27/2014 at 20:09 |
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From what I've heard, the 1999 models are the 996s to stay away from. CP at any price.
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Cherry_man1
> Brian Silvestro
02/27/2014 at 20:11 |
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Whys that?
It's a "Porch-uh"
> Cherry_man1
02/27/2014 at 20:11 |
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$19K is about right for a '99.
alexotics
> Cherry_man1
02/27/2014 at 20:12 |
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Swap wheels for originals and drop it to sport suspension levels and you've got an aesthetically clean AeroCup 996. Only problem is that mechanically it could be a mess, low miles aren't always the best, and it's a '99, not a 2000+. But the price seems to be right if it's somewhat sorted.
Black is a rare colour for the Cups.
BrownMiataDieselWagon
> Cherry_man1
02/27/2014 at 20:12 |
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NP if intermediate shaft problem has been fixed already.
CP if not.
This seems to be a general rule for 996/986's
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Cherry_man1
> alexotics
02/27/2014 at 20:12 |
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How would it be a mess?
SnapUndersteer, Italian Spiderman
> Brian Silvestro
02/27/2014 at 20:13 |
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UNLESS,
the RMS (rear main seal, it develops leaks) and the IMS (intermediate shaft... the bearing fails and the engine can grenade) have been upgraded..... Aside from those, they are actually pretty darn reliable and durable
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Cherry_man1
> BrownMiataDieselWagon
02/27/2014 at 20:13 |
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Finally an answer on why people are saying it may be a mess
K-Roll-PorscheTamer
> Cherry_man1
02/27/2014 at 20:13 |
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There are many reasons, IMS failure is one of the most notorious ones. i'll find a list for you; but to be fair, they were good cars even with their failures and most of the problems can be fixed or mitigated with proper care and TLC(same thing I know :P)
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K-Roll-PorscheTamer
> Cherry_man1
02/27/2014 at 20:15 |
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From the reliable people on the Rennlist forums(a great Porsche forum BTW), I present you an in detail and excellent 996 buying guide!
http://forums.rennlist.com/rennforums/996…
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alexotics
> Cherry_man1
02/27/2014 at 20:15 |
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It may not be. But 3.4l 996s don't react well to being garage queens. They need to be driven regularly, and high mileage ones tend to have the IMS sorted, RMS and clutch done somewhat recently, and perform better during compression testing. But like I said, this one could be a mess, it could be a dream. That's for the keen buyer (yourself) with some money to burn on a proper PPI to find out.
Full disclosure: I own a 2000 Porsche 996 Carrera AeroCup in all original condition.
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alexotics
> Cherry_man1
02/27/2014 at 20:20 |
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Here's a similar one for 14k in the Washington area.
http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/434283…
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Cherry_man1
> alexotics
02/27/2014 at 20:21 |
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Ah Ok, how hard/easy is it to do work yourself on one?
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Cherry_man1
> alexotics
02/27/2014 at 20:21 |
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Thats a little Far from whereI live lol
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alexotics
> Cherry_man1
02/27/2014 at 20:25 |
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Any engine work beyond basic lube and plugs service you'll have to find a good affordable indy shop for.
4play
> Cherry_man1
02/27/2014 at 20:25 |
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Stock IMS scares me. Replacement engine (non-junkyard source) + labor is approximately half the car's value.
CP even though it is beautiful and in great shape.
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Cherry_man1
> alexotics
02/27/2014 at 20:26 |
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That much of a bitch?
996C2
> Brian Silvestro
02/27/2014 at 21:21 |
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Actually they are the better of the models compared to 2000-2005.
- Double row IMS which by Porsche's own data submitted for the IMS class action; account for less then 1% failure rate compared to the later gen single row design which has an 8% failure rate.
- No MOST system (data bus) so any aftermarket double din NAV/radio system can be installed instead of the two other brands ($$$) that are the only ones that work with the alarm system without NASA like installer skills.
- 1999's were the lightest 996's built - all other years gained weight over the model life and even with slight upgrades in power from 3.4L to 3.6L - really just kept up with the weight increases.
- Cable throttle system that avoids the early design egas issues. 2000-2005 had issues that only a PIWIS 2 (dealer) unit can diagnosis.
- Machanical latch cable for hood and engine compartment!! Google issues opening later models after battery failure...
- Fewer D chunk issues for reasons that Jake Raby told me that escapes me right now but had something to do with a material change in the cylinder barrel lip area.
99's that have had the IMS bearing changed (like mine) and received proper maintenance (AOS, water pump changed) are a hell of a great buy. It's faulty info referenced here like yours that has allowed people to pick them up for great prices.
Talk to 997 owners who are on Porsche's 2nd 'fix' for the IMS where they can't install any of the new updated bearings without splitting the case to install it. Porsche finally just did away with the damn IMS design in the 991 as a *final* fix. Of course now 991 GT3's catch fire but that's another story for another day!
The RMS issue is quite frankly rare - mainly a Boxster issue and even there a minor maintenance fix that if you have some weeping it can usually wait until you need a new clutch to take care of.
For my friends that have bought a couple - thanks - they're enjoying them because of all the scare stories! I plan on buying another and turning this one into a track car complete with a cage, GT 3 suspension, stripped interior etc...
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Brian Silvestro
> 996C2
02/27/2014 at 21:34 |
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Wow, thank you for such a detailed response, I'm sure my ignorant statement warranted it. I just learned a shitload.
You should totally buy one as a track day car, that would be awesome!
Straightsix9904
> alexotics
02/27/2014 at 22:02 |
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118K! That is a lot for a car that could have been driven in anger every day.
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Straightsix9904
> Cherry_man1
02/27/2014 at 22:02 |
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and over double the miles!
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996C2
> Brian Silvestro
02/27/2014 at 22:31 |
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Didn't mean to sound harsh - sorry. Some of the bad press came really early in the model's use and depending on how the car was maintained or lack of driving - yes, they did deserve the bad rap. When the car was new it seemed to be bought by people either leasing or just because they heard it was cool to own a Porsche. Many didn't drive them much and let them sit, (the worst thing!) or an oil change once in awhile with many short drives (condensation) to work and no real hard, long drives.
Now many of these cars are 2nd and 3rd or more hand and are in the hands of enthusiasts who haven't been killed by depredation and understand after research and PPI's what the cars need and how to enjoy them. The 1st gen owners have probably moved on to 991's or Panamera's and are the type that will never consider working on them - hence the reason why Porsche cover the motor completely now with plastic!
But after this many years the 99's and all of the other 996's seem to have hit a happy place as long as they are maintained as you would any sports car.
I have a friend with a 993 that has huge issues with the top end 'coking' up and setting off the CEL as the OB2 system detects unburnt fuel. He can't pass a clean air test with the problem so he has to have atop end rebuild. Now he tells me that he has run across a few other 993 owners with the same issues and his 'fix' (valve guides) is way more expensive then a bearing change on a 996.
As far as a track car: I am looking at stored 99' in the spring that has had an engine failure - the owner might let it go for $5K or so my indy tells me so I have room in the budget to source an engine. This route ensures I know the engine as I plan upgrades instead of paying more for a car with a working engine that may or may not have issues. It can sit on jack stands in my garage (pissing my spouse off) while I start stripping it and hunting for a motor. The cage was offered at a good price from a friend who races in a CASC regional class and is moving up to a CUP car and parting out his old 996 GT 3. Keeping the costs low and not going all race class with all the build reg's needed saves a lot of money. If I put it into a tire wall my loss is a hell of a lot lower then guys who show up with a $100+K car and end up going home on a roll back. I saw a guy last year in a F458 back into a cement wall on a track day that wrote the car off. No insurance.
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alexotics
> Straightsix9904
02/28/2014 at 11:33 |
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True. My 996 is a high mileage example, but since I knew the service and owner (all Porsche Club members) history from new, know the dealership and shop it's frequented for all of it's life, and am happy with the recent work performed, I decided to pull the trigger post-excellent pre-purchase inspection.
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alexotics
> Cherry_man1
02/28/2014 at 11:39 |
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It's packed pretty tight in there and you'll need a proper lift to tilt or even lift the entire engine out for anything more extensive.